Legislature(2007 - 2008)CAPITOL 106

03/29/2007 03:00 PM House HEALTH, EDUCATION & SOCIAL SERVICES


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03:02:21 PM Overview: Office of Children's Services
04:42:04 PM Adjourn
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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
 HOUSE HEALTH, EDUCATION AND SOCIAL SERVICES STANDING COMMITTEE                                                               
                         March 29, 2007                                                                                         
                           3:01 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Peggy Wilson, Chair                                                                                              
Representative Bob Roses, Vice Chair                                                                                            
Representative Anna Fairclough                                                                                                  
Representative Mark Neuman                                                                                                      
Representative Paul Seaton                                                                                                      
Representative Sharon Cissna                                                                                                    
Representative Berta Gardner                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
All members present                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
OVERVIEW:  DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND SOCIAL SERVICES - OFFICE OF                                                                 
CHILDREN'S SERVICES                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
No previous committee action to record                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
KARLEEN JACKSON, Commissioner                                                                                                   
Department of Health & Social Services                                                                                          
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Introduced the overview presentation.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
TAMMY SANDOVAL, Deputy Commissioner                                                                                             
Central Office                                                                                                                  
Office of Children's Services (OCS)                                                                                             
Department of Health & Social Services                                                                                          
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Presented the overview for the Office of                                                                   
Children's Services.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR PEGGY WILSON called the  House Health, Education and Social                                                             
Services  Standing  Committee meeting  to  order  at 3:01:49  PM.                                                             
Representatives  Wilson, Gardner,  Roses, Seaton,  and Fairclough                                                               
were present  at the call  to order.  Representatives  Cissna and                                                               
Neuman arrived as the meeting was in progress.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
^Overview:  Office of Children's Services                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:02:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR WILSON announced  that the only order of  business would be                                                               
an overview from  the Commissioner of the Department  of Health &                                                               
Social   Services  and   the  Deputy   Commissioner,  Office   of                                                               
Children's Services (OCS).                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:02:57 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KARLEEN  JACKSON, Commissioner,  Department  of  Health &  Social                                                               
Services (DHSS),  introduced the presentation.   She informed the                                                               
committee that she and Deputy  Commissioner Tammy Sandoval of the                                                               
Office  of  Children's Services  are  presenting  their plan  for                                                               
improvements to the OCS system.   Commissioner Jackson noted that                                                               
during  the  years  between  2001   and  2005,  there  were  four                                                               
different agency  directors of OCS.   Current Deputy Commissioner                                                               
Sandoval  has 20  years experience  in child  protection services                                                               
and has been with DHSS  since 2004.  Commissioner Jackson praised                                                               
Ms. Sandoval  for the work  she has done  so far.   She explained                                                               
that  one of  the  first  steps taken  to  stabilize  OCS was  to                                                               
contract   with  an   outside   consultant,   ACTION  for   Child                                                               
Protection,  Inc., to  study  and  evaluate internal  operations.                                                               
Through  collaboration  with the  Department  of  Law (DOL),  the                                                               
incoming attorney general provided approval  for the report to be                                                               
released in  March, 2006, and a  copy of the report  was provided                                                               
to each  committee member.   She  said that  the report  has been                                                               
discussed with  OCS staff statewide,  the Citizens'  Review Panel                                                               
(CRP), the Senate Health, Education  and Social Services Standing                                                               
Committee,  and the  press.   Commissioner  Jackson informed  the                                                               
committee that,  although there are  no surprises in  the report,                                                               
members   of   her  staff   are   personally   impacted  by   the                                                               
recommendations therein.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
TAMMY  SANDOVAL,   Deputy  Commissioner,  Office   of  Children's                                                               
Services, (OCS),  relayed her office's  intent to look  at issues                                                               
not covered by a 2003, federal review,  or by the CRP.  The first                                                               
area to  be reviewed  by the  contractor's internal  report, that                                                               
was begun in November, 2006,  was the organizational structure of                                                               
the interface  between OCS state  and local offices.   The second                                                               
aspect was to review community  relationships.  Third, the policy                                                               
and  front-end procedural  review and  a safety  assessment model                                                               
were studied.   Fourth, a  review of the Training  Curriculum and                                                               
Orientation of New Employees (TONE) was requested.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:10:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  SANDOVAL continued  to  say that  OCS  management wanted  to                                                               
study  its effectiveness  and efficiency.   Employee  morale, job                                                               
satisfaction,  turnover, and  retention  were  critical areas  of                                                               
concern.    A job  satisfaction  survey  was taken  and  employee                                                               
interviews were  held.  She  listed findings that  indicated that                                                               
there is a high level  of dissatisfaction among employees in many                                                               
areas;  however,  there   also  remains  a  high   level  of  job                                                               
motivation and  she expressed  her belief that  OCS has  a strong                                                               
foundation on which to build.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:12:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. SANDOVAL continued to note  that the majority of OCS's front-                                                               
line  staff,  who  are  overworked  and  are  in  the  limelight,                                                               
indicate that  their job  motivation is  high, they  believe that                                                               
they are  supported by  management, and they  are happy  in their                                                               
positions.   The author of  the report noted that  employees have                                                               
many  positive feelings  about their  responsibilities, but  they                                                               
are concerned about how to complete  their tasks.  In addition to                                                               
other  problems,  communication   inconsistencies  exist  between                                                               
local,  regional,  and  state   offices.    These  communications                                                               
problems continue within  offices, and the majority  of those who                                                               
responded  to  the  survey  felt  that  employees  are  not  held                                                               
accountable for  their work.  Training  is considered inadequate,                                                               
workloads  are unmanageable,  salaries are  low, the  requirement                                                               
that   supervisors  hold   a  degree   in   social  services   is                                                               
unreasonable, the  case management  information system  (ORCA) is                                                               
not  current, the  organizational climate  is dysfunctional,  and                                                               
too much clerical work is required of front-line staff.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:16:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  SANDOVAL  pointed  out  that  the  contractor  provided  the                                                               
following recommendations:  review  efficiencies specific to each                                                               
region; clarify  authority, responsibility and  accountability of                                                               
administration at  each level; increase clerical  support; create                                                               
a  support group  for workers;  develop  an exceptional  training                                                               
program  for  everyone; reduce  work  load;  reassess the  degree                                                               
requirement  for  supervisors;  have  an  ORCA  expert  in  every                                                               
office; physically  separate regional and field  offices; develop                                                               
a communications strategy link to  the mission of the agency; add                                                               
services to  children and families;  expand the family  to family                                                               
program;  and continue  to decrease  the  over representation  of                                                               
minority children in the child welfare system.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:18:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  SANDOVAL  described some  of  the  steps  OCS is  taking  to                                                               
address problems  raised by this  report and others.   She stated                                                               
that  this year  OCS has  begun a  newsletter, The  Pipeline, and                                                               
that  the staff  morale survey  will be  continued annually.   In                                                               
addition,  the  new  safety  assessment   process  will  also  be                                                               
continued.   She  relayed  that  the budget  allows  for six  new                                                               
front-line  positions  for  her  office, and  that  retention  of                                                               
employees will be a focus for  management.  She reported that OCS                                                               
is  working   with  the  Department  of   Administration  towards                                                               
promoting from within  to prevent the loss  of experienced staff.                                                               
Regional managers  are reaching  out to  the judicial  system and                                                               
the  community to  talk about  the new  safety assessment  model.                                                               
Lastly,  Ms.   Sandoval  stressed  that  her   office  is  always                                                               
searching for  ways to  prevent child  abuse and  neglect through                                                               
prevention programs and federal grants.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:21:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. SANDOVAL called  the committee's attention to  the portion of                                                               
the review on community relationships.   The contractor was asked                                                               
to do focus groups on  12 key community stakeholders, in addition                                                               
to  the Mat-Su,  Anchorage,  and Juneau  field  offices, and  the                                                               
state   office.      The  report   indicates   that,   generally,                                                               
professional agencies' view  of OCS was more  positive than views                                                               
held by the  general public.  The majority  of professionals view                                                               
OCS  as  highly  effective  in  investigating  reports  of  child                                                               
maltreatment; however, the review  reported that a wide variation                                                               
exists  between offices  in the  quality of  work and  procedures                                                               
involving  the sharing  of information.   Several  key informants                                                               
cited the difficulties in internal  procedures and community work                                                               
in  the  Mat-Su office.    Throughout  the report,  communication                                                               
continued to be the main issue.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:24:41 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  SANDOVAL relayed  that there  needs to  be more  cooperation                                                               
with tribes on  investigations and on the  placement of children.                                                               
Further recommendations  are that  OCS should:  retain successful                                                               
staff;  achieve  manageable  workloads;  improve  responsiveness;                                                               
return  phone  calls;  support   and  conduct  regional  outreach                                                               
activities  with   community  stakeholders   including  families,                                                               
foster parents, and professionals  in related fields; enhance the                                                               
skills  of supervisors;  continue cultural  sensitivity training;                                                               
develop guidelines  on the sharing  of information;  and maintain                                                               
transparent and  open working conditions  at local offices.   Ms.                                                               
Sandoval  acknowledged  that  OCS  has  had  limited  success  in                                                               
community relationships.  In October,  2005, she issued a program                                                               
instruction of  the policy for  returning phone calls  and email.                                                               
Also, surveys of families,  tribal organizations, foster parents,                                                               
service providers, and the judicial  community are posted online;                                                               
however,   she  recognized   that   there  continues   to  be   a                                                               
communications  gap.    In  addition,  Commissioner  Jackson  has                                                               
issued policy and procedures guidelines  regarding the sharing of                                                               
information, in order to foster  inter-agency relationships.  She                                                               
described  OCS's response  to the  CRP request  for clarification                                                               
regarding  confidentiality.     In  conjunction  with   the  DOL,                                                               
guidelines  were developed,  distributed, and  put in  statute by                                                               
legislation.   Nevertheless, confidentiality remains  a troubling                                                               
issue.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:30:28 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. SANDOVAL told the committee  that, in September of 2006, work                                                               
with tribal partners on disproportionality  was begun by inviting                                                               
them to  participate in  investigations in  cases where  a tribal                                                               
affiliation is known.   Extensive work with DOL  will continue to                                                               
establish tribally  licensed foster  homes.   She added  that the                                                               
new  safety assessment  model  is being  discussed  at the  local                                                               
level in communities.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:31:24 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. SANDOVAL  pointed out that  the policy and  procedures review                                                               
was the final  area studied by the contractor.   OCS specifically                                                               
wanted to  know whether its  policies and procedures  support the                                                               
practice of  decision-making on  the part of  staff.   Lacking in                                                               
the policy was the reference  to the mission of the organization,                                                               
the objective  of a  intervention, or the  desired results.   The                                                               
reports author  explained that these  references would  provide a                                                               
critical foundation  for employees  on the  goals and  methods of                                                               
OCS.  Additionally, the writing  was not precise and policies are                                                               
unclear.   The report found  that, in  the policies, there  is an                                                               
assumption that the reader will know what is not stated.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:34:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  SANDOVAL   provided  examples  of  confusing   policies  and                                                               
explained that the federal government  continues to establish new                                                               
policies and regulations  and, despite the passage of  HB 153 and                                                               
subsequent bills,  the distribution of new  policy and procedures                                                               
has  fallen behind.   Organization  of  OCS policy  is vague  and                                                               
confusing,  and the  numerous and  significant problems  with the                                                               
current policy led  the author of the report to  suggest that new                                                               
policy must be  written, rather than a revision of  the old.  Ms.                                                               
Sandoval said that there must  be many people involved, including                                                               
community  stakeholders,  in order  to  write  a new  policy  and                                                               
procedure manual.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
3:38:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. SANDOVAL referred to the last  report that is on the training                                                               
and orientation  of new employees.   Findings indicated  that the                                                               
training  for  information  collection  is  too  general  for  an                                                               
accurate safety  assessment.  For  example; the imprecise  use of                                                               
definitions  of  the  abuse,  neglect,  maltreatment,  risk,  and                                                               
safety of  children.  When  the curriculum was  written, although                                                               
OCS states its family centered  orientation, there is an emphasis                                                               
placed  on the  legalistic issues  and mandates  of the  child in                                                               
need of  aid petition.   Ms. Sandoval  added that  the curriculum                                                               
focus of  investigations is  on risk  and maltreatment,  and that                                                               
OCS  is now  in  the process  of moving  to  a safety  assessment                                                               
model.   Recommendations of the  reviewer urge the  employment of                                                               
the safety  assessment model  as the  foundation of  training for                                                               
case  workers.     She  stressed  that  this   shift  will  bring                                                               
everything  into  alignment.    Additional  recommendations  are:                                                               
define  who  OCS  is serving;  structure  investigations  into  a                                                               
linear  format; and  spend more  time  on safety  planning.   Ms.                                                               
Sandoval observed  that her office  had identified  problems with                                                               
TOME   before  the   internal  review   was   ordered,  and   its                                                               
recommendations  will  be  fully integrated  into  the  revisions                                                               
already under  consideration.  She  stated that  tribal partners,                                                               
regional  offices, and  stakeholders will  be involved  to assure                                                               
that  concerns of  disproportionality  will be  addressed in  the                                                               
revised training procedures.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:44:57 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ROSES  stated his appreciation for  the efforts of                                                               
OCS to respond  to this comprehensive self-review.   He said that                                                               
he has been involved in  undertaking personnel studies, primarily                                                               
in  schools,  and  that  issues   of  insufficient  support  from                                                               
supervisors, and  communications problems, are not  uncommon.  He                                                               
asked  how   OCS  will  provide  sufficient   time  to  implement                                                               
improvements and the continuing education of employees.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS.  SANDOVAL responded  that this  is an  essential issue.   She                                                               
explained  that  classes  for existing  employees  are  provided.                                                               
However, it is difficult for  front-line workers to make the time                                                               
to attend.   She described  her attempts  to talk with  her staff                                                               
about workload and  burnout, and emphasize to them  that when the                                                               
staff will  not take  the opportunity  to refresh,  improve their                                                               
education, and  be mentored,  they will not  be able  to continue                                                               
their work.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:49:02 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ROSES  asked whether OCS  employees are part  of a                                                               
collective bargaining unit                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS. SANDOVAL said yes.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   ROSES  questioned   whether  Ms.   Sandoval  has                                                               
coordinated  with the  bargaining  unit  to evaluate  ineffective                                                               
employees through the union.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. SANDOVAL  replied that the  state has a personnel  system, in                                                               
conjunction  with   the  union,  to  evaluate   employees  on  an                                                               
individual basis.   She said  that, according to  staff comments,                                                               
some problem employees have not been disciplined.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
3:50:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   ROSES  observed   that  when   dealing  with   a                                                               
collective bargaining  unit, the grievance process  is available.                                                               
Therefore,  formal  evaluations  and  work  self-assessments  are                                                               
especially  valuable.   He  opined  that  weak personnel  systems                                                               
encourage employee burn out.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:52:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  NEUMAN  stated  that  changes at  OCS  have  been                                                               
discussed before,  and he  said that  he could  not see  that any                                                               
progress  has  been  made.     Representative  Neuman  asked  for                                                               
specific management changes  for the Mat-Su area.   He noted that                                                               
Mat-Su cases have  been referred to the Anchorage  OCS office and                                                               
slow responses from  the Mat-Su office continue to  be a problem.                                                               
He opined  that how the OCS  Mat-Su office deals with  the public                                                               
is an ethics issue.  He  suggested that the Mat-Su staff be asked                                                               
whether  there is  a cyclical  nature to  the issues  there; that                                                               
might  help them  discover  what is  not  working and  facilitate                                                               
change.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:57:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  JACKSON  replied   that  continuing  education  for                                                               
employees is  an issue that  is larger  than OCS and  DHSS alone.                                                               
Also,  she   said,  there  has   been  a  justified   culture  of                                                               
confidentiality    around    protecting     children.        This                                                               
confidentiality, however,  should not shield the  office from the                                                               
investigation  of  problems.   She  agreed  that  OCS  front-line                                                               
workers  have  some of  the  hardest  jobs in  state  government.                                                               
Nonetheless, the problems OCS faces  must be corrected by systems                                                               
changes.  For example, correcting  confusing policy and improving                                                               
training  for  employees.     Commissioner  Jackson  assured  the                                                               
committee that this presentation is  not a budget exercise but an                                                               
overall  plan  for  the  next  four years.    She  expressed  her                                                               
commitment for making changes in her department.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:59:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE NEUMAN  repeated his previous  questions regarding                                                               
the changes for the Mat-Su office.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:59:27 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  SANDOVAL  answered  that  she   is  maintaining  the  safety                                                               
assessment  model to  improve practices  on  the front-line,  and                                                               
that has  been issued  in memoranda  from her  office.   She will                                                               
establish whether these expectations  are not being fulfilled and                                                               
will  then  follow  up  with employees.    Regarding  the  Mat-Su                                                               
office, she assured  the committee that she  and the Commissioner                                                               
Jackson  have  plans  to  address  the  problems  there.    State                                                               
personnel rules  prevent her from  public disclosure  about these                                                               
plans at this time.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
4:01:22 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR WILSON observed that the  commissioner of the Department of                                                               
Education &  Early Development  (DEED) should  be able  to assist                                                               
OCS with the  evaluation of employees.  There is  a similarity to                                                               
how  DEED  manages  teaching and  administrative  staff.    These                                                               
written  evaluation  procedures  are   very  helpful  when  staff                                                               
members  are unsuccessful  in their  responsibilities and  do not                                                               
respond to additional training efforts.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:03:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ROSES  clarified his statement  that documentation                                                               
is helpful, but  the ideal solution is to identify  a problem and                                                               
provide  the  means for  someone  to  correct the  situation  and                                                               
improve their performance.  When  people self-reflect they may be                                                               
their own  harshest critics.  Representative  Roses observed that                                                               
employees rarely  leave their  jobs because  they are  happy with                                                               
what  they  are  doing.    He stressed  that  positions  in  each                                                               
department of  the state are  being are deleted because  they can                                                               
not  be  filled.    He  suggested  that  filling  positions  with                                                               
mentors,  or   quality  assurance  experts,  to   assist  failing                                                               
employees would be invaluable.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:06:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER JACKSON agreed that  that the positions removed from                                                               
her budget  are positions  that are not  needed in  their present                                                               
capacity.  She affirmed that  management is sometimes in a myopic                                                               
position; too close to identify  a particular need.  Hence, there                                                               
is the need for contracting an internal review.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:07:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CISSNA  reflected on  the history  of OCS  and how                                                               
chronic,  entrenched  problems are  difficult  to  correct.   She                                                               
cautioned that people are more  comfortable with past systems and                                                               
behaviors, no matter how dysfunctional.   She suggested the value                                                               
of re-hiring employees, who left  disgruntled, versus bringing in                                                               
new employees.  These previous  workers will be familiar with the                                                               
issues  and   may  be  willing  to   work  towards  improvements.                                                               
Representative  Cissna opined  that good  exit interviews  reveal                                                               
important information for management.   She commended OCS workers                                                               
that know  the mission  is important and  added that  a structure                                                               
that allows workers  to translate the mission  statement to their                                                               
own position is necessary.   Her personal experience is that many                                                               
other states  are struggling with  the same issues; in  fact, one                                                               
solution  is  to,  with  technology  and  software,  connect  the                                                               
mission  and  corrective measures  taken  to  the performance  of                                                               
workers in each region.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSION  JACKSON   agreed  that  many  helpful   policies  and                                                               
procedures do exist in other states.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
4:12:27 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CISSNA  continued  to  state  the  importance  of                                                               
changing the public  perception which is that "this  is a problem                                                               
that will never  be solved."  She opined that  there are citizens                                                               
working against OCS; however, the  volunteers of the CRP could be                                                               
very helpful to change public opinion.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  JACKSON affirmed  that, at  its inception  in 2002,                                                               
the role of  the CRP was not clear, and  an adversarial situation                                                               
ensued.   However, a  new partnership is  being forged  with them                                                               
and its collaboration is now welcomed.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:16:02 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  SANDOVAL added  that,  when  the CRP  came  to their  recent                                                               
meeting, it  was a  tipping point in  its relationship  with OCS.                                                               
The  CRP was  the  first  group briefed  on  the internal  review                                                               
report and an agreement  was made to work side by  side in a more                                                               
meaningful way.  In fact, as  recently as last week, she traveled                                                               
with a CRP member to Bethel.   The Bethel office staff debriefing                                                               
was part of what was shared  with a panel member and Ms. Sandoval                                                               
expressed  her   enthusiasm  about  the  new   beginning  of  the                                                               
partnership with the CRP.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:18:32 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CISSNA  observed  that the  new  administration's                                                               
retention  of the  commissioner  and [deputy  commissioner] is  a                                                               
positive factor in rebuilding the foundation for DHSS and OCS.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:19:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR WILSON  agreed.   She expressed her  gratitude for  how far                                                               
Commissioner  Jackson   and  Ms.  Sandoval  have   brought  their                                                               
departments.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:20:09 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GARDNER asked  about the problems with  ORCA.  Her                                                               
understanding was  that the intent  of the system was  to improve                                                               
the sharing of information and recordkeeping.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:20:55 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  SANDOVAL  responded that  ORCA  was  developed from  another                                                               
state's model.   Moreover, constant changes in  federal and state                                                               
laws, and new  mandates and rules, have to be  programmed and add                                                               
demands on  the system.   She  stated that  the "level  of effort                                                               
time"  to make  ORCA a  working  system is  not there  yet.   Ms.                                                               
Sandoval assured the  committee that ORCA will  perform as needed                                                               
at some point.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GARDNER commented  that computerized  systems are                                                               
supposed to  save on paperwork but  that does not seem  to be the                                                               
reality.   She asked  whether the  front-line workers  will still                                                               
have too much paperwork.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS. SANDOVAL answered  that the front-line workers  will say that                                                               
ORCA does  not save  time.   However, she  is confident  from her                                                               
past experience that it will, eventually.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:25:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GARDNER  said that  there are  three parts  to the                                                               
child protection field:   identifying a child in  need of removal                                                               
from the  home; a plan  for the  child; and the  permanency plan.                                                               
She asked whether better permanency outcomes are being achieved.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS. SANDOVAL  responded that OCS  passed its  federal performance                                                               
improvement  plan  that  mandated improvements  in  those  areas.                                                               
Permanency is  being achieved more  quickly; however, OCS  is not                                                               
at a satisfactory federal standard level yet.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:26:28 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE NEUMAN pledged his  support to assist in garnering                                                               
funding for the  department.  The safety of  the state's children                                                               
is a top priority.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
4:27:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   FAIRCLOUGH  said   that   she  appreciated   the                                                               
department's efforts  toward transparency  and improvement.   She                                                               
expressed her  desire to learn  more about the  safety assessment                                                               
model  and  how   it  will  help  the   front-line  workers  make                                                               
determinations.   Also, she asked  how the contractor  was chosen                                                               
for  the study.   She  then asked  whether the  reported turnover                                                               
rate and  employee morale levels  for OCS workers  are consistent                                                               
with  national   standards,  and  if  those   statistics  can  be                                                               
attributed  to  the  difficulty  of  the  work.    Representative                                                               
Fairclough  suggested that  community outreach  might be  part of                                                               
every OCS  worker's job  description.   Working with  schools, or                                                               
representing  OCS  in  a different  capacity,  will  broaden  the                                                               
possibility of being more than  a crisis intervention person, and                                                               
enable  a front-line  employee to  spend some  time working  more                                                               
positively  in  their  community.   She  recalled  that,  in  her                                                               
experience in  crises intervention, a two-year  turnover rate for                                                               
employees was the norm.   She also supported a union partnership,                                                               
as  suggested by  Representative  Roses, to  look  at morale  and                                                               
training.  Finally,  she reflected on the truancy  issues for the                                                               
Mat-Su  area, and  how other  problems in  the region  may affect                                                               
that office's success.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:33:20 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GARDNER  noted that the Office  of Public Advocacy                                                               
(OPA), Department of Administration  (DOA) maintains a successful                                                               
guardian  ad litem  program  with good  morale  and longevity  of                                                               
personnel.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:34:22 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ROSES stated that  federal Title 1 program schools                                                               
have home  school coordinators that  work only during  the school                                                               
year.   These social  workers may  be available  to work  for OCS                                                               
during  the summer  season, as  temporary  replacements, for  the                                                               
full  time workers.   Additionally,  he  suggested that  rotating                                                               
schedules  through   temporary  administration   positions  would                                                               
provide  a respite  for crisis  intervention workers  and prevent                                                               
burnout.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:37:10 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON  stated that  the  internal  review was  a                                                               
tough report, and  that the governor has shown  wisdom in keeping                                                               
the commissioner, and deputy commissioner,  in their positions to                                                               
continue the  needed reforms.   He expressed confidence  that the                                                               
work  will   be  done  and   he  pledged  his  support   for  the                                                               
commissioners.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:38:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  WILSON predicted  that finding  community support  will be                                                               
very difficult.   She suggested  looking at other  state's models                                                               
for  direction.   She then  offered  to form  a subcommittee  for                                                               
assistance,  if necessary,  and  encouraged Commissioner  Jackson                                                               
and Ms. Sandoval to ask for help.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
4:39:55 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  ROSES suggested  that changing  public perception                                                               
may be difficult; however, OCS  is the responsible agency in many                                                               
crisis situations and as a proactive, versus a reactive agency,                                                                 
positive public relations will result.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:41:20 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER JACKSON expressed her belief that the public, the                                                                  
committee, and the state will work together for children's                                                                      
safety in Alaska.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
4:41:54 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There being no further business before the committee, the House                                                                 
Health, Education and Social Services Standing Committee meeting                                                                
was adjourned at 4:42:04 PM.                                                                                                  

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